Flickrs new filtering sytem panders to Chinese censorship market? Reason for change-profits and Censorship? Yahoo annouces today launch of Chinese version of FLICKR-China censors online information it deems politically sensitive.Flickr expects ten-million, originally uploaded by Gail Orenstein.
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ahoo to launch Chinese version of photo site
Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:35 AM BST
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SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Yahoo said on Friday it plans to launch a Chinese language version of its popular photo-sharing site Flickr.com this year to tap demand from Chinese digital photo enthusiasts.
The development comes as Sunnyvale, California-headquartered Yahoo tries to localise and expand its services -- such as bookmark-sharing site Del.icio.us, Yahoo Mail and Yahoo Groups -- that centre on user-generated contributions.
"The HK traditional Chinese interface of Flickr will be available later this year," a Hong Kong-based spokeswoman said in an email to Reuters.
Online services, such as Flickr, Shutterfly Inc., Eastman Kodak's EasyShare Gallery and Hewlett-Packard's Snapfish, lets users load digital pictures online, where they can be edited, shared with others, printed and mailed.
The new Web site will target Hong Kong users and will offer all the core features currently available on the English platform, spokeswoman Pauline Wong said, without elaborating.
While the traditional version of written Chinese is widely used in Hong Kong and Taiwan, the simplified version of the script is the standard in mainland China. However, most mainland Chinese are able to read traditional Chinese, and vice versa.
After targeting Hong Kong consumers, Flickr's Chinese site will also focus on the Taiwan market, the spokeswoman said, but declined to elaborate on the mainland Chinese market. Yahoo's China business was absorbed by the country's leading e-commerce company, Alibaba, in 2005. Yahoo also bought a 40 percent stake in Alibaba.
And while Beijing routinely censors online information it deems politically sensitive, Flickr -- which has reportedly been blocked in United Arab Emirates -- remains accessible in China, the world's second-largest Internet market after the United States, with around 137 million Web users.
In 2006, Yahoo China had a 9 percent share of China's online photo-sharing market, according to consultancy iResearch.
Netease.com Inc. took the largest share with 43.4 percent followed by QQ.com with a 33.9 percent share, though other media companies such as Sina Corp. are fast catching up, iResearch said in a report.
China will have around 10 million new users of online photo-sharing services annually over the next few years. Most photo-sharing Web sites are still free of charge as they explore different profit avenues.
Flickr said in a posting on its Web log (http://blog.flickr.com/flickrblog/2007/02/help_wanted.html) last month that it was looking to hire translators from among its members to develop non-English language versions of the service.
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DrQ2 Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Aaaah..... So thats how you do it. How silly
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Posted 14 hours ago. ( permalink )
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doppeltbelichtet Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Gail- I just got uncensored, after being NIPSA'd by flickr for 11 month of pro account flickring....
It's sad, mankind isn't allowed to consider for itsself, what we look at or not...
Not every photo of a naked body is porn, but most of them here are art and should be viewed by the public.
Everyone can choose for him/herself, if its appropiate or not, I guess.
Thanks for making this an issue widely recognized at flickr!
Posted 14 hours ago. ( permalink )
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loupiote (Old Skool) Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
no surprise there.
i even predicted this 2 weeks ago:
www.flickr.com/forums/help/35971/page2/#reply190627
Posted 13 hours ago. ( permalink )
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Gail Orenstein Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
@old skool
You were on the threads supporting this originally and you were an original champion of the system old skool. Don't be a hypocrite. You were kissing the flick admins asses and you know it-
How convenient you were ripping into us when we asserted from day one on those thread this the new filtering system was not for the good of the community but for the emerging market place and at our expense of censorship-that is what the filtering system really meant!
Posted 13 hours ago. ( permalink )
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Gail Orenstein Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
In fact you and your posse came after me advocating this fucking thing-now that the cat is out of the bag and we can clearly see what the filtering system was for your a critic?
i would not mind it so much but since you busted mine and Roberts balls being a champion of it with your policing posse- I find it hard to digest you coming on here as if you did not kiss the systems ass when it first came out-
Just be honest at least!
you did not see it for what it was in the beginning and slammed any critic that did see it!
Posted 13 hours ago. ( permalink )
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Gail Orenstein Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
This group I am sure you and your policing posse patroled and it was diabled!!!!!!
I just tried to add this pic to it!!!!!!!!
"Adding photos to PROTEST THE NEW COMMUNITY GUIDELINES has been disabled."
This was a forum that was set up when the filtering system came out-it was disabled because they saw the filtering system for what it is-not to " better the good of the flickr community"-but for profits, which is fine but lets just be honest about it-
Flickr claims it was to starve off Porn which, is bullshit-I have logged in at 3 internet cafes using different names and I was able to hit the porn site within 3 minutes. It did not ask my age or anything.
Posted 13 hours ago. ( permalink )
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AnomalousNYC Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Yahoo sucks.
Posted 11 hours ago. ( permalink )
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Traces in the Sand Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Well, I guess this is an acclimatisation for our long future as pawns of the Chinese government.
One of these days we'll wake up and the "Tibet" will be missing from the Encyclopedia Britannica, and "dissent" will be absent from the Oxford English Dictionary.
Thank you Yahoo, you spineless goons.
Posted 11 hours ago. ( permalink )
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BillyWarhol Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Twits n Hypocrites*
altho I agree with the New Filter System in that it Gives People the all Important CHOICE to decide what they wanna View*
the Problem is even tho U or i may have hundreds or even thousands
of Fans ie Viewers - Flickr is a HUGE stratosphere & if yer NIPSA yer Photos + ART + Thoughts + Words + Chinese WISDOM aren't being Seen or Heard by the Masses + Outside World*
Flickr treats ARTISTS like shit - Shoddy 2nd Class 3rd World treatment that is reprehensible*
& it ain't just Yahoo! this has been Flickr from the TOP down*
They Love & thrive on KICKING People Out of Groups + Threatening to KILL (delete) People's Accounts without ANY TRIAL or ANY RECOURSE or telling U WHAT THE CHARGES ARE + WHO is CHARGING U so that U might be able to DEFEND YERSELF!!! fer fucksakes*
Their KANGAROO COURT is GITMO at it's Finest + frankly they oughtta Feel right at HOME in COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP CHINA where the PEOPLE have NO RIGHTS!!!*********************
fuckrz*
SILENCE IS NOT AN OPTION*
;))
Peace*
Posted 10 hours ago. ( permalink )
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BillyWarhol Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
SILENCE IS NOT AN OPTION*
Blogged*
;))
Peace*
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Seen on billiondollarbaloney.blogspot.com (?)
Posted 9 hours ago. ( permalink )
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jphotoshooter Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Maybe China made Jerry Yang, Co-founder and Chief Yahoo! an offer he could not refuse. You know, the Sopranos IS back on for it's 7th season!
Posted 8 hours ago. ( permalink )
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Gail Orenstein Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Yes, it is called 1 billion people! a giant market!!
Posted 8 hours ago. ( permalink )
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MMMMichelle Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
wow...I haven't checked in in awhile. What's going on? Your pics are not hurting anyone or putting anyone in a compromising position....just positions we all wish we could still get into. Good luck with the flickr police...whoever they are. what a shame!!!
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jphotoshooter Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Even with 80%+ blissfully ignorant that their settings default to "safe" Yahoo still has too many holes in the dike and not enough fingers.
There is a 2-week backlog (or longer??) because Flickr Yahoo is trying to approve/censor every new account (that's new too!) and police the self-censorship scheme they've imposed.
I suppose they'll outsource the censorship task out to the Third World if they haven't done so already...
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Gail Orenstein Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Hi Michelle-
Missed ya-glad you found me though!!
Hi jp-
Sorry, the back log is now 30 days. You have to wait a month to get an answer-you just get a auto response notice now-
They are up to 30 days for a review time-
That will only be a matter of time before it become 60 days!
X
Posted 7 hours ago. ( permalink )
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rhooker1236 says: name reply / icon reply
The filter system was a pretty clear effort to establish a framework for censorship to make this move possible.
Welcome to the Global Web 2.0, where your rights and your freedoms are a marketing features in large companies efforst to sell to China.
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Lola Lyndon ~ Cephalopodaphile! says: name reply / icon reply
Gale Orenstein says:
"Adding photos to PROTEST THE NEW COMMUNITY GUIDELINES has been disabled."
This was a forum that was set up when the filtering system came out-it was disabled because they saw the filtering system for what it is-not to " better the good of the flickr community"-but for profits, which is fine but lets just be honest about it-
That is not accurate.
The PROTEST group is my group and I disabled the pool myself. Our petition is specific to the threat of Flickr censorship as it concerns the written word.
I have been a consistent and passionate supporter of the filter alternative. I believe it to be far superior to the tar and feathering witchhunt that went on under NIPSA.
What I don't support is Guidelines which would prevent you from "ranting" about your views to the contrary.
Despite the fact that I don't agree with you-- I saw the way certain people threatened you (in front of Flickr admins) with insinuations that your account could be deleted for rocking the boat. I did not approve of that at all.
Ironically, less than a year ago, the suggestion of filters drew heavy criticism by many of the people that now credit themselves with the idea.
Anyway... I think we are all very clear on your objections to filters, Gail. The question remains: what are you proposing as a solution?
Posted 5 hours ago. ( permalink )
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Gail Orenstein Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
A solution
The next photo sharing site, Flickr is just broken.
Posted 4 hours ago. ( permalink )
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Lola Lyndon ~ Cephalopodaphile! says: name reply / icon reply
Build it and they will come.
Posted 4 hours ago. ( permalink )
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Gail Orenstein Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Perhaps
Perhaps and Open Source photo sharing site, one that charges so much for a pro account but will not sell to any compnay but owned co-operatively by its subscribers.
A club. No reason all the web needs to be a company.
The technology will be open source available in a year or so,. anyone have any ideas.
And we could have a proper constitution and bill of rights, and spent what effort we do administering actually following the law and not trying to make the thing more acceptable in China.
And if China, Russia, Inda and UAE block it we won't chagne it.
Oh its a fine dream, and maybe a few years around the corner.
Robert Hooker
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fisserman says: name reply / icon reply
Yahoo sucks... they will ake Flickr suck, Google sucks... Joost will suck... about time something came along that didn't suck.... :) How about all of us make that one?
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Gail Orenstein Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Well firstly we need to know what technology base to use, an open source image swapping system. Maybe GNU has one, I don't know.
Than a independent corporation needs to be created, non-for profit of course, to provide as ISP. But the critical things is a simple clear constitution allowing freedom of expression while protecting people and respecting the law.
So neo-nazis and child pornographers would be gone, while artistic nudes would be fine, or just porn if you like.
Anyone know an Open Source image swapping program that's any good?
Robert Hooker
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tantrictim Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Hi, I'm an admin for a group called THE PEOPLE'S CAFE, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
Gail
where's the porn...i came here for the naked babes...i am sorely disappointed...........lol..............tim..:)))))))))))))))))
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johncoxon Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
It is shit and that is the stuff that happens when big bunsess takes over something good and we have to stay honest and work around that . Flickr is a shit sandwich and I have no idea why I even bother opt be here or upload a shot as it is so f ******* underactive. Nice tits and tarts are very good , you are my best internet fried , I love and respect your work and you make a diem or two on the adult place. Flickr sold outh and that sucks. Let's talk and share even if it has to be e mail, MAN or Flickr mail as upfront doesn't work any more as the orginals who started this palace are now now whores.
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grahmmaby says: name reply
It is time to get into Asian porn!
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CharlieBrown8989 Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
I received warning again today.
Threadthen to terminate or delete my account.
All the Hardworks for the last 2 years is gone.
I have been very loyal & ahered to the Term & Conditions of the Yahoo - flickr.
What "Frontal Nudity" is not allowed??. During my research on the Views rate on flickr - Yahoo. I found many accounts are actually exposed Genital Parts & also with Sexual Porn post.
If you examing my site, you would discovered that the whole truth of these friendly "Warning" & Advise.
It is certainly on a personal whim, on profiling, oppression, discrimination, dis-respect of individual customers.
The rights of Artists have been abuse & suppressed.
This clearly exhibited the high handed Power - Political play in between of Client - Customers relationship. It as well exhibited the traditional Imperialism & Religion "God" controls of the pre-demoncracies of this era.
USA constitutions & International Human rights are abused & oppressed by some!!
We put our resources & times, energy to support the members here. While not making any income for ourself , yet get all these bully & harassement.
Are we insane!!
What talking about pioneer of Web 2.0?? Image sharing ?? All these what we do are for the benefits of Yahoo - flickr. Yet these are what we deserving??
In the land of freedom & demoncracy, & while we are doing the law & constitutions of this great Nation. It still have the people or team could rise above it.
This is unbelievable!!
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CharlieBrown8989 Pro User says: name reply / icon reply
Talking about China.
As on Dec 31 2006, China net citizen already surpassed USA. Become number one in the world on internet.
I have been traveling China & talking to people on the "Have & Have Not" issues on Digital & internet. That includes all level .
To China Jerry Yang may be the founder of Yahoo, but it does not concern them as Jerry is from Taiwan & now believe is US citizen.
Whereas, Alibaba is the local brew corp. & If it is not supported by the China Gov back finance, then Alibaba cannot reverse took over Yahoo China.
Alibaba still is within the China Local Government & Laws or even the Charter that put them to be a giant corp.
China Gov more concern about the subversive anti-Government site then Artists site. As there is already a Government Admin together with the Central committees to govern the National Arts & non political movement as well as religions afairs.
The Government have all along against the Porn "Yellow - Grey Culture" from the Imperials Gov era till now.
However, Artistic Nudes of Nature & female have not been under any oppression or suppression.
My Late Guru from Shanghai was sent by Gov to France to learn all aspect of Arts. & he is a pioneer of Chinese Nudity Artist of the Modern time.
If you care to examing the Nudity arts in China.
The authenticated 10 most beautiful ladies of China each is trading over few 10millions in US$$$$.
What China Gov. censoring is any site that suspect with the subversive activities against the interest of their Nations & people republic, also the religious groups that with some ulterior motive to cause insergencies of their Nations. The other is the Pornographies articles.
Other then that Nudity Art is allowed, there was once I read the news coverage on the Nude body painting arts competitions in Nanking & Sichuan. which have over 1X,XXX people attended. there is no riots or unhappy incidents then.
Therefore, any actions as it show prove that is on the whim of certain people or the God of the System.
I sincerely hope that everyone can think more deep & far.
China would have their own censorship system without calling a USA base corp to help. After all that is their Nation.
Whatever happen here is still out Not China Concern.
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